Hardcore pvp vs Softcore pvp

[karvarousku]

Not really sure if this is the right place for this thread, but well, I can't post on the "News" section so I'll just put it here.

As you may know, Jay Wilson stated on Bcon -10 (~~ from 4:25) that if you die in HC arena, you're dead for good. Now in recent interview ( ~~ from 2:50) Jay said that

Q: Hardcore, you had mentioned that you changed it to a death match where you respawn and do total kills. Is this still when you die that first time you are dead forever?

A: That’s what I want to do. There is a lot of pushback on the team. I announced that at Blizzcon and the community were all for it. We have gotten a bit of mixed results outside of Blizzcon. It’s easy for me to get a crowd worked up so… The PvP strike team that focuses on that area, they are pretty nervous about it. Their basic feeling is that if that is what happens, then hardcore characters just won’t PvP. But then there was hardcore dueling in D2 so we may change that. We may allow hardcore PvP players to play without dying. That being said, I still want a way for hardcore players to duel even if not at ship. I am going to push for a way. Even if its basically just a place where you can go in the world where you are flagged for PvP. Even if it is that simple, there is a community, even if it’s a small community that I want to support. Those fuckers are crazy. Part of me it like aww you crazy bastards.

IF they implement HC arena pvp where you're not punished deathly for losing a fight, would you focus on doing the ladders on HC?
Why would someone ask that? Because in HC, there is NO RMAH, which will affect pvp and the whole gameplay greatly without a doubt. You can say that people who bought their items will match up with people who did the same, or just farmed their way through mobs to get those skullcracker-items, but still, I feel a bit left-out if people who buy items will be doing the "end-game-dueling" meaning there ain't higher "level" of gear. Because if they create HC so you can use arena without perm death, hell I'm gonna play HC! (no doubt will play but this makes me pvp a lot more in there!)

[shdwdrake8]

Yeah, that will be an interesting dynamic. I'm a big fan of HC but I want to try to make a bit of money playing this game so I'll be a SC pansy. Hopefully the pvp scene will still be decent there despite the RMAH.

Though I understand if you want a more "fair and balanced" pvp scene, HC might be the way to go if arena death =/= perma death and RMAH = 0. Lol.

[tainted]

Hey, this is a very interesting topic. IF HC players can PvP arena-style without perma-death then it would eliminate the whole "buying your way to the top" of the PvP scene since there would be no RMAH. But, it would also make farming that gear and protecting your character in PvM much more tedious. Say we set up our ladder of sorts using HC, and someone playing on that ladder perma-dies in PvM... that would suck lol

[karvarousku]

Aug 13, 2011 15:18:16 GMT -5 tainted said:

Hey, this is a very interesting topic. IF HC players can PvP arena-style without perma-death then it would eliminate the whole "buying your way to the top" of the PvP scene since there would be no RMAH. But, it would also make farming that gear and protecting your character in PvM much more tedious. Say we set up our ladder of sorts using HC, and someone playing on that ladder perma-dies in PvM... that would suck lol

Well hey, if you can manage pvp well, mobs shouldn't be a problem.
Tho I see your point. =/
E: What about a "back-up-char"? If you die with your main char, you could continue the ladder with the back-up-char, him/her being the same class (and gender?) ofc. It would probably bring you rating down, but hey, just an idea.

[niwuc]

Hopefully they decide to go back to dead=dead. Isn't that what HC is all about? If you aren't willing to risk death in the arena then don't play arena on HC. It's like saying, we want hardcore characters to experience act 1 of the game, so we won't enable perma death till act 2.

[karvarousku]

Aug 15, 2011 7:38:27 GMT -5 niwuc said:

Hopefully they decide to go back to dead=dead. Isn't that what HC is all about? If you aren't willing to risk death in the arena then don't play arena on HC. It's like saying, we want hardcore characters to experience act 1 of the game, so we won't enable perma death till act 2.

I completely know what you mean and well I'm up for death=death arena also. BUT this will decrease the playerbase on pvp arena so greatly that I think that allowing to pvp without death is only a good thing to Diablo 3 HC.

Tho, Jay said that he wants to have this kind of pvp in game, and that just an area where you're flagged would do it. I'm all for that, and if there would be a such thing like a ladder, (leveling) it would be pure gold to have the choice to do some pvp with your highly equipped char before starting from the ground. But there isn't, so lets forget this.

Back to the death=death.., I would like to have both ways, non-perm death for actually allowing many HC characters to pvp and the death=death scenario for those who actually would use it. And I know tons and tons of people who play HC, but just don't pvp there because they would lost their character if died. They pvp in SC, with entirely different character. Isn't this somehow against the Blizz's thinking of "no-need-for-starting-all-over" characters?